Big Chief Extracts is already a “gray market” THC vape cartridge brand which we reviewed last time to just barely qualify it as licensed. Since then, new information has come to light – in fact, not a day goes by without some new static on the air about Big Chief. We’re going to try to catch up everything here.

UPDATE 8/21/2020: Aaaaand their license is reinstated. Big Chief is officially back on the straight ‘n’ narrow, though the legion of counterfeits out there remain.


Our conclusions about Big Chief so far : for the record:

Big Chief is DEFINITELY a copied and counterfeited brand. Since our last report, black market packaging, online sellers, and street dealers have multiplied many times over. It’s now far bigger than Dank, the original poster child for black market carts.

Big Chief empties are on DHGate, VapesWholesale, CartsPackaging, Made-In_China, CBDVapeMall, and more. Spend a few dollars, and you, too, can be a Big Chief filler! This brand is so cracked open, we use it to find empty packaging retailers we never knew about before.

As far as an actual licensed and legit Big Chief company, our possibilities are narrowed to either:

  • A legit company that is spectacularly mismanaged
  • A complete sham covered up by one of the most elaborate hoaxes since the Watergate conspiracy

Our bottom line advice to the vaping community: Avoid Big Chief, period, no matter where you find it. There are a thousand other vape cart brands out there that do not have a soap opera and a half worth of drama attached to them.

Two weeks ago: Big Chief was allegedly raided

This rumor popped around social media and was refuted by somebody allegedly speaking for Big Chief on similar channels.


If this is a false rumor being spread, it is unusual to have people named in the story. Somebody at an account @bigchiefextracts simply called this “fake news,” which isn’t the most convincing of denials.


See Reddit for further discussion. We wash our hands of this story temporarily.

The address associated with Big Chief’s license is questionable

Last time, we did drag out a California BCC license under “Cali Blue Sky Investments, LLC,” and traced it to an address and phone number in San Bernardino. We called that number, a man answered and affirmed: They represent Cali Blue Sky, they are responsible for Big Chief, and they are aware of the counterfeit issue.

Since then, one of our Deep Throat commenters mentioned that we should Google that address under the Cali Blue Sky corporate listing (“1055 WILSHIRE BLVD, STE 1945 LOS ANGELES CA 90017”). We did, and it matches the Kenneth KeeByung Yoo Law group. Here is the website of same. The copy at the bottom says “The Kenneth Yoo Law Group has been practicing law in Southern California for the last 20 years.” However, the “about” page on that site is still filled with “lorem ipsum” filler text. Isn’t twenty years enough time to finish writing a paragraph about yourself?

We’ve tried reaching out to Kenneth Yoo and gotten no response. The address 1055 Wilshire Blvd. in L.A. goes to exactly the kind of tall, anonymous office building you would expect. Nevertheless, it’s plausible that a Los Angeles lawyer could own a corporation which runs a cannabis oil company out of San Bernardino. But why is this so hard to verify?

Somebody speaking for Big Chief gave a false license

Days after that, we find this:


Now, the messenger claims to be “a licensed and compliant brand in California.” Yet when asked for a BCC#, the response is “CCL19-0002188.” This is not remotely in the format for California licenses, which we explain fully in our guide. BCC license format is “C{8-14}-(zero-filled to seven digits)XXX-{LIC | temp}.” There is no class 19 license at all. On the off-chance that this is an innocent typo, we’re trying things like “C12-0002188-LIC” and getting nothing.

Why lie about such an easily checked fact? Anybody asking for a BCC number clearly knows what one is and how to check it.

Well, this came from a Reddit thread, and another commenter on there said they asked on Big Chief’s Instagram and got the MCSB this time, “CDPH-10002803.”

A Manufactured Cannabis Safety Branch license for Big Chief?

So it’s off to the MCSB license check, also in California, and this time we get Boyle Brothers 411, LLC. That’s an active corporation in California; however, its a subsidiary of the same-name corporation in Nevada, which shows as is revoked. We tried the address under the corporate listing, (“3411 E.15TH STREET LOS ANGELES CA 90023”), and this time when we visit the neighborhood we got a distinctly un-corporate vibe:


Of course, we try the phone and get a garbled answering machine, and the email address produces no response. This time, the corporate owner’s name is “Dunstin Woo.”

Here’s the point to all this: We’re trying to verify one damn person and one damn address for this huge company with sales all over the world. What if NONE of these were the real owners? So far we had a 15 second conversation with an anonymous voice in San Bernardino who couldn’t wait to get us off the phone. The Big Chief Website does link to the Instagram which only now, since we last blogged this, puts up the license number we grabbed last time, so that’s one tenuous connection that is so far our only confirmation.

Where is the cannabis grown?

Where is the oil extracted?

How many license numbers are we going to get for one company that all lead to anything but a cannabis oil production facility?

It takes as little as $49 to register an LLC, by the way. Registering a domain name, $15 plus a monthly shared server fee (coffee money). You can go online with all that and claim to be the CEO of McDonald’s, but it doesn’t mean anything. If you fool people long enough to sell twenty hamburgers, you made a profit and you can keep on lying until the lawyers get to your door.

What if none of the people we have dealt with are the true original owners of this brand?

New packaging and a “verification system”

Which brings us to TODAY:


Redditors report that they tried the verification system and it failed already. That’s not surprising, because we found a different registered domain for Big Chief! also has a verification system put up. Now how do we even know people are verifying at the right website?

Not to mention that another Instagram account, @bigchiefextracts2, gives us a different take on verification:

You’ll notice that the box does not match the one posted on Reddit. Nor does the “BC Big Chief’n” logo on the back with the crossed arrows, in gold, match the one we found in our original post. The QR code from that post, recall, went to a 404 page.

Somebody else on Reddit scanned a Big Chief QR code and it just went to the BigChiefExtracts website.

UPDATE 06/05/20: Another post on Reddit reports that even fake Big Chief carts scan like the “real” thing on the website. Just like this:

Big Chief verify broken

When it comes to product verification, Big Chief speak with fork tongue. (sorry!) As one user points out, sometimes the box back says “stay Big Chief’n” and other times just “Big Chief’n.” Note also on the above package, the fonts for “stay” and “Big Chief’n” are different. Typography experts, can we name these fonts?

None of this is any help! Our advice is to forget Big Chief

If the actual people who own this brand are going to hide like they’re on the lam and a thousand fakes are going to run away with the show, what is the point?

Big Chief is a source of a constant tidal wave of turmoil in our comments, our forums, every social media channel, every cannabis forum on the web. This brand is so obfuscated and its path to proving the legitimacy of anything is so twisted that you might as well give up and vape something with a good review where it takes one easy minute to verify the company.

Comments (yes, more) in the continuing Big Chief saga are still welcome in our forum. Just don’t expect us to jump on them right away after this. There’s a whole cannabis industry out there, too.



  1. I have smoked many big chief carts that I’ve gotten from one dealer here in town. Now, I’m nowhere near California. I live in Ohio. I’ve read everything there is to read about these carts on your website. I have maybe 6 boxes? As of now. The boxes themselves seem to be real, they have the Scratching the code verifies it, and scanning the QR code through my iPhone camera sends me to the lab results on confidentcannabis. Every box comes up with the exact QR code and results said on the box. The company listen on the results is Boyle brothers 411 LLC with a LIC# of CDPH-10002803. So far I’ve seen nothing wrong with the brand, the carts I get feel and hit just like a real medical cart to me. Thank you for the information you have offered to me for I’ve always been skeptical and a paranoid smoker buying carts off the streets, especially these when I first tried them.

  2. Reading this is pretty interesting. I have dealt with the owners directly they have visited facilities. Man oh man you guys got it but you don’t at the same time. Big Chief is a big Fraud. They fake their own product to sell on black market. Matter of fact they sell far more black market than they do legal. It’s unbelievable what these guys do from selling mixed liters of d9/cbd to pass off as Backdoor lab pesticide free liters in the black market to spraying edibles with a 1 part d9 to 2 parts cbd ratio and try to pass it as d9 black market edibles to even spraying hemp Kiefing it and trying to pass as cannabis. These guys are a huge fraud that try to manipulate there license that one second they have the next they don’t to hide behind and try to pass themselves as legit. I know so much about these scum bags. They even borrow money from people and than when it comes time to want your money pack they try to tick you with the crap scam black market junk. It’s sad what they do and how they get away with it.

    • Wow, thanks for the info!

      We’ve suspected there’s more going on under the surface of some brands. But there’s hundreds of cart brands out there with their own ways of doing things and we have only so many hours in a day. We’d practically have to be Scotland Yard to chase down every cartridge brand.

      So yes, take us with a grain of salt too. There’s a lot of mysteries we never solve because we don’t have the resources, but as we mention here, a brand with this much drama about it is a red flag, which is enough to tell people to pass it by and move on to the next brand.

  3. Big Chief revolutionized medicine for real. It packs a nice smooth buzz with hemp and cigarette smoking for a high that can leave you giggly but not out loud and there is no incomprehensivebility. If your bubbly, it might be okay. It’s thc free but also low in cannabidiol(cbd). It has a star on every filter to remind you that you too are a genuine star. Budded from real bee pollenated honey plant (east european autoflower, purple eurkle and sweet tooth. Possible near ipo or similar. This operates for infinite. Would urgently await your good money for me and your budding senses. Cali Blue Bear. Yes, I really wrote that. Thank you for your kind remarks. Golden cali Blue green. Cheers ^_^ ~ broken heart *3 xxxooo lol

    Interview: i: how many cigarettes have you smoked so far?
    penny:luckily I’ve smoked about 100. I live in abq nm and it was brought a long way to me.
    I: what’s your favorite pot strain?
    penelope (persephone): def, I really like all teddy bears strains. Those girls deserve a home too. “Blue dream bud” is a new strain that’s out. Afghan gui is my favorite. Uhmidkmaybe meth dream could be pretty or really good although they should cross with a cheese and hit it with a northern lights and then purple eurkle and maybe willy’s wonder right before that. At least a willy’s wonder that has giant crystals.
    I:So where are you from?
    persephone: san francisco and in Albuquerque by age three.
    I:what inspired you to produce Big Chief?
    penelope: uhm well honestly I just found out in me it was some type of need to look like something to high school friends (who really don’t know I did this).
    I: penny what’s the greatest thing oth3r than this you did?
    penny: my rap maybe, or my album which recently hit some type of award for a recording I did recently. Or maybe it was the ariana grande perfume which is a maybe good idea to try..the center one. In my opinion, it is maybe better than some perfumes but only for the heart undernoted which belie ariana grande. Also, I scored a record amount of rhodium with the proceeds from Big Chief and help from some investors. The pressure we put on the plant rhodium the earth’s rarest rare earth metal caused it to emit two precious flares of 700% increase in price. In three months each. Do the math. Also, I saved a girl from fentanyl (tried it, not partaking) earlier this year, dilaudid is mine though jk. IV meth (tried it, prefer smoking bath salt lol jk) comes really in handy. That’s how I do it. Jk
    i: wow, lol, anything else youve done.
    persephone: ya!!!! I filmed a gif that culminated in me turning into a girl with the sweetest cookie but they ripped the stuff off immediately, scored as a cuckold forty something I hooked up, the filming so expertly and perfectly done gave those girls a high feeling to Trump I guess. Other than that I jumped off a 21ft bridge. “Hottest bridge jump on my earth.” I don’t care. It would have been the most peaceful death ever falling asleep on the ground talking to my daddy. Thank you for the nice time. Bon fumi.
    I: thank you

  4. Hey Pete – what is the straight dope with this brand?

    It reads “Organic Cannabis Oil & not just the Chief’s Head

    It also reads “THC Distillate Cartridge & not “Pesticide Free” & not “THC Distillate Cartridge”

    No “Product Verification Module” on the side

    There are slight differences, but I clue should really be “BLGCHIEFEXTRACTS” not BIG

    And the strain I have is “Kush OG”, and I don’t even see that listed as a flavor

    It seems to be to be fake, unless I’m missing something?

    I paid 35 per 1G

    Can I still vape this oil, or could it kill me?



    • If you go to our forum, you can post photos of your find.

      If you’re asking about the Big Chief brand, Big Chief is currently back to being licensed in California and has a list of legit dispensaries to buy it.

      At this point in the game, however, I’m permanently skeptical about this brand. Too much drama coming from their end, counterfeited all over the market while they took too long doing nothing. There’s hundreds of other carts out there without nearly this much worry. My 2¢


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